Avoid Wick's Silver Labs PLEASE!!

Thanks to you, Stop the Silver Scam, for being willing to pass along the truth about the scam that "breeders" of "rare silver labs" are perpetuating. Unfortunately, Mr. Wickliffe has found more unsuspecting buyers for his most recent (two) litters.  

To Kaitlynne, in my opinion, your father doesn't have a kind or honest bone in his body. We are still waiting for our replacement puppy that was promised to us in January, an explanation of how we allegedly "voided" our warranty, and to "hear" from his attorney as he stated we would (as a way to avoid answering any more emails from us). Your father hasn't stood behind one promise he has made. And you know WHY? Because he got his $1000 and that is all he wants is his precious money! His health warranty is a useless piece of paper. FYI- there are two buyers that have reported problems to your father regarding alopecia. Look at the pictures and you should be able to figure out that the dog in this post is an adult and the one in my post is a puppy. Not too difficult to figure that one out, now is it. Unless you are a legal business partner with your father, what you have to say is irrelevant.

Hi, I'm Pat's daughter and before YOU or anyone else reads this awful post bashing my dad i hope you realize you are the ONLY customer we have ever had any issue with ANY of our dogs...and im sure my dad has been nothing but nice to you since the "incident" I am over there on a routine basis and i know for a *** fact that my dad would never purposely harm or cause potential danger to ANY of our pets EVER...and we continue to do great business thanks have a nice day...*** ***. oh and feel free to contact me if you have anything to say (:

Hi, I'm Pat's daughter and before YOU or anyone else reads this awful post bashing my dad i hope you realize you are the ONLY customer we have ever had any issue with ANY of our dogs...and im sure my dad has been nothing but nice to you since the "incident" I am over there on a routine basis and i know for a *** fact that my dad would never purposely harm or cause potential danger to ANY of our pets EVER...and we continue to do great business thanks have a nice day...*** ***. oh and feel free to contact me if you have anything to say (:

Silver labs are not labs at all, they are the result of an oops breeding (weim crossed with a lab) years ago in the US and the scam continues. Respectable breeders don't charge more for a particular color and they don't breed silvers. Read the lab standard, labs only come in 3 colors, black, chocolate and yellow! This silver color is not caused by a mutation as show breeders NEVER have them in their litters. Silvers were never seen in any other country until they were imported by some greedy fools. Silvers are prone to serious health issues and their breeders lie, they are only in it for the money. These are not "rare" dogs but poorly bred ones.  

 

I feel sorry for the people who got duped by this breeder but kudos to you for making others aware. I will spread the link to this page for others to learn and you should take the breeders to court and sue them, hit em where it hurts, in their pocketbook, that's why they got into breeding these weim crosses in the first place. 

 

Good luck!

Just some thoughts after reading through past posts on this site. Every effort has been made to accurately reflect quotes made on this post and through email communications between writer and Mr. Wickliffe . Any inaccuracies found within this post should be considered unintentional. Any comments contained within this post other than quoted statements, are solely the opinion of the writer.  

1) "I am by no means saying that your puppy is 100% I am not a vet, and I hope the love you say you have for you pup is real." (Pat Wickliffe) 

So you admit that our puppy has health problems. You offered us a new puppy, but could not or would not tell us when you would have one available. You did not answer our emails from Dec. 27, 2011- Jan. 8, 2012. Did you expect us to feel confident that you would deliver on your promise of a new puppy to us? WHEN were/are you going to provide us with a new puppy that we are entitled to, by the health warranty contract between you and writer?  

Obviously you are not a vet but you are a breeder. Breeding for 10,11,15yrs or since 1987 whatever you are claiming currently. I’m not a vet or even a breeder , but one can find a wealth of information regarding canine health disorders on the internet. If you were a vet, you would know how to spell alopecia not "alpaca".( One has to wonder why as a business man you have not corrected this misspelling on your website?) You would know that Color Dilution Alopecia is a genetic disorder and testing definitively indicates that the fur lose that our puppy has experienced is not caused by "parasites, fungus, food allergies and so on" as stated in your post on "Causes of Alopecia". In our opinion, you have refused to admit that our puppy has the genetic disorder of Color Dilution Alopecia, inherited from her parents.  

Our puppy has an inverted vulva, you offered to sell us breeding rights, for an additional $250. A female dog with an inverted vulva, will not be able to breed.  

2) You still have not answered our question as to how we have "voided" our warranty (our correspondence via email to you on March 15,2012). We have contacted you in the "adult world" as you requested in your previous post and now, it seems, you are avoiding us on the advice of your "attorney".? Avoidance on your part seems to be an underlying theme throughout this entire business transaction.  

'As you have mentioned several times you wish you would have went with your gut, and not buy this puppy, I wish I would have went with my gut and not sold her to you. The threats with the " family attorney" and Intimidation you think you have started from day One!!!!!' (Pat Wickliffe).  

“ Mr. Kensinger I have turned all documentation over to my attorney as he has advised that I have no correspondence with U at this point and time U will be contacted very soon thanks pat.” (Pat Wickliffe) 

We feel “threatened” and “intimidated” by your reference that we will be hearing from your attorney. 

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Mr. Kensinger I have turned all documentation over to my attorney as he has advised that I have no correspondence with U at this point and time U will be contacted very soon thanks pat.  

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In a message dated 3/14/2012 9:07:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hunter*********.com writes:  

Pat Wickliffe  

Springfield, OH 45504  

Pat,  

You have stated several times, that we have "voided" our health warranty on the puppy we bought from you on Dec. 9, 2011. I would like to know what is the reason you believe that we have voided the health warranty. We have met all the conditions of the warranty and some. I do not know of any reason why my warranty is not valid. I will be glad to provide you with all her documentation regarding her health issues. I have not received any response from you on when a new litter will be available. Per our phone conversation on Jan. 6, 2012, over 2 months ago, you said you would let me know when a litter would be coming. I want to know a tentative date of your next litter. This situation isn't about people's feelings, it is about a dog I bought from you to be a hunting partner. This dog will never be able to hunt because she doesn't have the coat to protect her properly. A dense coat is a normal characteristic of a lab, show or pet quality.  

If you would like to discuss this by phone feel free to call me-**********.  

Thanks Mike ***********

Thanks Amanda it has been helpful exchanging experiences with you. I appreciate that you brought this issue to light. I hope your dog's lesions heal soon and she remains well. I doubt that Wick's will stop breeding the dam and sire as OSU suggested. The desire to make money at the expense of unsuspecting buyers is a powerful demon. Thanks again.

Mr. Wickliffe has really outdone himself this time! How incredibly(yet not surprisingly) unprofessional to post an individuals phone number and name. Please avoid this guy like the plague if your are interested in buying a puppy. Once he has your money he will avoid you if any problems arise.

You are so full of crap! I never said my puppy was \"dying\". I wouldn\'t have taken her to the vet for shots, genetic testing and a urinary tract infection,; all withing 5 weeks of owning her. I SAID my father \"WAS\" an attorney. He taught me to always pay attention to legal documents when conducting a transaction, because you wouldn\'t sign my bill of sale and write PAID IN FULL (fool)\". You brushed me off and I never did get you to sign that I paid you $750 dollars in cash! No one was threatening you with a \"big shot family attorney\". For God sake, my father is 80 years old and senile. The only threat he is to anyone is himself. I didn\'t \"fall in love\" with your dogs considering that you only let me view them through your glass sliding doors at dusk. You didn\'t let me meet the parents in person. You used your housekeeper to entertain me with her story of how great your dogs are and how her\'s ran out in the road and got hit by a car. Then we played \"guess how much those rare english bulldog puppies in the crate cost\" game. I was not impressed by you or your dogs. Since you say I am all about the \"money\" and you are not, then why don\'t you send me my money back and I\'ll return my puppy to you- oh, I\'m not sure when, but send the money anyway. You stick to your story and I will stick to mine. Karma will prevail. Good luck with your present litter.

Not hateful, just really p***ed off by your poor customer service, inferior puppy, denial that you have done anything wrong and acting like you are victim. And you even have had the nerve to put another litter up for sale and have used your neighbor as a smoke screen. Why don\'t you disclose your neighbor\'s name? Oh he probably doesn\'t want his private information shared on the web. By the way where is that date of birth, pick up date, parentage identification, warranty information for your \"neighbor\'s\" puppies? And your \"neighbor\" charges $1250 for their puppies, does that include breeding rights? Because you only charge $1000 for a puppy and for an additional $250 one can purchase breeding rights! Just what you want to do, pay $1000 for the puppy and then $250 in addition for a puppy that has a genetic condition. Do you really think it is ethical to breed a dog that you know has a genetic disorder? I don\'t! In regard to your comment in your BBB rebuttal, that you don\'t even know if the pictures of my puppy are actually the puppy I bought from you, now you are accusing me of puppy swapping! What do you think I did, go out and rent a \"RARE\" (as you like to advertise) colored, silver lab puppy for a photo shoot. Who did I call 1-800-rent-a-pup? I did not comment on your copying and pasting that was another unhappy customer of yours. If you look at Amanda\'s pictures you will note that that is an adult dog, I have a 5 month old puppy. The post from the BBB came directly from the BBB site. So of course it is copied and pasted. Just like you copied and pasted our personal information from your business records and displayed it on this site. If we have any problems as result of your posting our information, we will know who disclosed it unauthorized (not to mention your prospective buyers). Feel free to check the BBB site out. When you had a problem with American Express for $2800, you had no problem getting on a review/complaint site and bashing AE and the customer rep that you spoke with. The longer that posts and rebuttals continue to be placed on this site, the longer it will stay active as a hot topic. The longer the thread, the more for your prospective buyers to read and it will remain on the search results page. If I were a buyer and saw all of these complaints, I would just continue to keep looking for a breeder because although I wouldn\'t necessarily know what was the bottom line, I\'d just keep looking elsewhere. Why chance it, find another breeder. So keep posting. Your puppies are on a time line, the older they get more the price drops. People want to buy puppies, healthy puppies. I didn\'t mind the price of your puppy but I didn\'t get what I was promised and you do not stand behind your dogs \"100%\". You offered me a replacement puppy, but you couldn\'t say when you would have one. Why not charge your \"neighbor\" a puppy for your time, the use of your website/PayPal account and your time answering emails and arranging sales/pick up of puppies? Then you would have a puppy to replace mine and it wouldn\'t come from your breeding stock! Seems like a lot of work/time \"just to help\" your neighbor out!Am I a p***ed customer? You bet! And so is anyone else who has bought a sick puppy from a breeder. You give yourself a bad name. I don\'t have to.

Wrong person Mr. Wickliffe. I believe you want to respond to the other complaint on this website. Don't those pictures sicken you?